Robert Ray Interviewed on CNN New Day on Mueller’s Grand Jury

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BERMAN: And Bob, look, you’ve been there. So what power does this give Robert Mueller now?

ROBERT RAY, FORMER WHITEWATER INDEPENDENT COUNSEL: I don’t think we’re quite there yet, meaning that I think we’re still at the preliminary stages. That’s not to say that that won’t move forward rather quickly. But they’re still gathering, you know, the rudiments of an investigation: the phone records, the text messages, the e- mails, anything that would corroborate what happens immediately before meetings, during meetings, immediately after meetings.

I think the rubber meets the road when you start seeing subpoenas for testimony before a grand jury. At that stage, then you’re really starting to talk about beginning to put together the investigation to a point of drawing conclusions and deciding and making judgments about whether or not people should be charged.